# Talking About Frameworks (JSDayES 2017)

Canonical: https://davidk.dev/talks/talking-about-frameworks-jsdayes-2017/
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCFYYi68x9A
Speaker: David Khourshid (@DavidKPiano), creator of XState
Type: Interview · Event: JSDayES 2017 · Year: 2017 · Duration: 1:51 · Views: 121 (as of 2026-10-19)
Topics: State management

## Summary
Where, instead of designers making prototypes, designers can actually participate in the development process instead of a. The quicker you could chip and the quicker you could put things on the app store or wherever.

## Key takeaways (quoted from the transcript)
- Where, instead of designers making prototypes, designers can actually participate in the development process instead of a. (0:00)
- The quicker you could chip and the quicker you could put things on the app store or wherever. (0:00)
- You can package it up using Cordova IOS to make a native app that goes into the iOS app store as well. (1:00)


## Transcript
[0:00] So they usually say that maybe designers should code, maybe coders should design. But the thing is that if we, if we find new ways to express what we could do with code in an easier way, in a more declarative way, then design and development could be a lot closer aligned. Where, instead of designers making prototypes, designers can actually participate in the development process instead of a. Instead of having to hand off the prototype and wait to get back with the development and then make changes.

[0:00] Because the quicker that you could work on something and the quicker that the designers could get involved in the development process. The quicker you could chip and the quicker you could put things on the app store or wherever. [Music]. So, in the future, I think that mobile apps will move more towards progressive web app technologies. With the induction of service workers on Chrome and the inclusion and the not-too-distant future. And things like Internet Explorer's edge browser.

[1:00] There'll be a lot of possibilities for offline and some of the older hybrid technologies, such as Apache, Cordova, PhoneGap and Ionic. While we're making strides towards making the API's match, which is currently in the updated browsers. And that allow you to build an application that runs not only in Chrome, on Firefox, and on edge, but as well. You can package it up using Cordova IOS to make a native app that goes into the iOS app store as well.